Village of Lombard Legistar System

Bebe Mosillo, 1S525 Luther, Oakbrook Terrace

Eleanor Alberts, 139 W. Potomac Avenue

Stephen Vales, 167 S. Craig Place

Lonnie Morris, 209 W. Sunset Avenue

Diane Dassow, 411 N. Martha Street

Ed Dassow, 411 N. Martha Street

Dan Hildebrand, 312 S. Lodge Lane

All Public present, with the exception of Mr. Vales, were in attendance for Item 060281.

Public comment was held after Committee discussion.

Mr. Stephen Vales, 167 S Craig

Mr. Vales passed out pictures of snow in his driveway. He stated that his wife works

coronary intensive care and she and he work irregular hours. She usually leaves for

work around 5:30-5:45 a.m. He further stated that the neighbor wants to push

everybody around. When we get a big snow it's almost impossible not to snow blow

before 7:00a.m. The neighbor called the Police regarding the noise. The Police said if

he didn't stop he would get arrested. So Mr. Vales went to the Police Department and

asked a Sergeant about it. The neighbor is trying to get retribution for something. Mr.

Vales said that the problem comes down to the fact that he is on call 24 hours a day 7

days a week and his wife works Saturday and Sunday. They have 125' of driveway and

if it snows if 6"-7" it takes him 2-1/2 to 3 hours to get it cleared if shoveling. Bartt asked

how often this happened last winter. Mr. Vales responded that it did not happen at all

last winter, however, it happened three times the winter before. He further stated that

the weather is incapable of reading the Village noise ordinance. He would like the

Village to adopt an addendum to the ordinance. Schukat asked what time of day it

happened the year before. Mr. Vales answered about 5:30 or 6:00 a.m. and the

neighbor was sitting out there laughing later. Mason asked if he has considered having

someone plow it. Mr. Vales responded that the way the ordinance reads it's any power

equipment and he does not have the money for that anyhow. Anderson clarified for the

committee that trucks is one of the things listed. Mr. Vales reiterated that he needs a 20

minute period to get his driveway cleared to be able to get in and out. Lyons stated that

there have been years she could not get out of her driveway until they shoveled and

managed to get through it. She also said that all driveways get the snow from the plow.

If we allow for this, people could blast radios. Mr. Vales corrected that his proposed

addendum is specifically for snow clearance. Lyons commented that some people just

shovel the area the tires are going in. Schukat commented that in her neighborhood

people do it at all different times and nobody complains.

General discussion ensued regarding snow depths and neighbor relations.

Mr. Vales stated he just needs to be able to clear his driveway without having the Police

out. Anderson commented that typically Public Works employees will park with the back

of the vehicle right up by the sidewalk so there is less to clear. He also explained

creating pocket.

General discussion ensued regarding when Public Works plows.

Anderson reviewed the updates.

1. Realistically the Village does not have the environmental personnel to do this

operation. Additionally, the Village attorney's opinion is anything we do would have to

be voluntary. The recommendation is to not include this in the Village's version.

2. Basically already in a mode, staff recommends to include.

3. Recommending to include, it's what we're already doing.

4. There are really two options for purchasing. You can either buy for delivery to the

grid or you buy green tags. The difference is what you're really purchasing. Did

calculations based off of consumption using one summer month and one winter. It's an

additional cost between $22,000 and $70,000, depending on what green tags you buy.

Staff can't really recommend buying them, but the Board may be willing to pay the

premium.

5. Staff recommends to include.

7. Based on where Code allows it, the only way we can encourage it is by setting an

example by using the LEED program when we do construction. 0%-11% additional cost

associated. We would need to ask the Board if the Village is willing to pay the

premium.

8. Did more research and went to Downers Grove, who has implemented alternative

fuel. Hybrid vehicles still have a challenge for us is their inability to handle the electrical

load from the extras. The only vehicles we could implement are the ones that don't

have any emergency systems.

Lombard has already begun the process of converting to ultra low sulfur diesel. It's the

equivalent of putting a catalytic converter in a diesel engine. We already made our first

purchase but it takes about three tank loads to wash the old diesel out of the tank.

Ethanol is cleaner but you get 25% fewer miles per gallon. So any front end savings

becomes about equal. We went to look at propane and compressed natural gas at

Downers Grove. This mixture produces 30-40% less carbon dioxide. The facility alone

(pump and pressure unit) cost $250,000. Downers Grove received a grant for about

80% and covered the rest with local dollars. We tend to have more of an ethanol based

industry here. There isn't much of a local market here for converting vehicles to natural

gas. The conversions would have to be done in Oklahoma or on the West coast. The

conversion costs about $10,000 per vehicle. There is some grant money but it's a

maximum of $4,000 per vehicle. It would still cost $6,000 plus money for converting

fueling.

9. We're basically doing that as we go right now. Our pumps have a certain life

expectancy, as we change them we look at how to reduce our costs from an energy

standpoint, also the energy efficient products are less maintenance.

10. We've been pretty successful. We're seeing a good increase since we instituted

the toters. To see a big jump we would have to get the businesses involved.

11. We've been doing this for years.

12. To some extent the schools are already doing it.

Anderson said that he recommends that from this meeting this be sent to the Board with

a request for guidance on the three items to see if they're willing to pay a premium for

those items. If they say yes, that gives us the ability to finish it.

Adams asked if the Village is going to pay a premium, where would that money come

from. Anderson responded it would basically come from the general fund.

Chairperson Gron asked if the vehicles referred to in item 8 would be inspector cars.

Anderson explained that if you stay away from gas/electric hybrid you can do just about

anything. Chairperson Gron asked if Downers Grove mentioned how difficult it was to

get the grant. Anderson responded that it was CMAQ, so he would anticipate that it

would not be that difficult, but we would still have to come up with the 20%. The other

problem is we are space constrained. We would have to make sure we can get the

separation.

Chairperson Gron said that budget discussions start December 8th, so the Committee

would want to get a Board recommendation so we can get a packet back to the Board

prior to then.

Chairperson Gron thanked the Committee members for participating in the event and

commented that he had a lot of fun. He received a lot of nice comments from the

residents in line. A lot of people wanted to know who all the people working it were and

he explained that they were volunteers. Schukat added kudos to the Public Works

guys. Adams said that he concurred with Chairperson Gron, good job.

Anderson reviewed the totals to date. Once all of the totals are received we will publish

a press release.

Chairperson Gron commented that metal seemed to be the top drop off this year. There

were times when it was backed up and we couldn't get the traffic by. Lyons suggested

that we need more adult men to help, then metal could have been unloaded easier.

Also, there wasn't a dumpster there for about 1-1/2 hours. Mason said that she

observed that a lot of people were not willing to get out of their car to help unload. The

people could get out and help, the adult supervisor would need to make sure they don't

cross the tape line. Gron commented that another issue with the kids unloading is that

you have to be careful about scratching vehicles. One lady said that there were

scratches on her car last time. Mason added that you also don't want the kids to be

liable for tearing upholstery. Lyons commented that there was a lady with a board in the

back seat and Lyons told her it was going to rip the ceiling.

Bartt asked if the Chiropractor College is asked for volunteers, because they need to do

community service. Lyons answered that she has approached them every year,

however, their exams are usually that week. Mason commented that she noticed that all

of the adults went over to the books and computers. Bartt reiterated that there needs to

be more adult volunteers. Lyons pointed out that the metals dumpster was too tall for

the kids. She also pointed out that there was not one trustee there. Bartt asked if we

could get a dumpster where the front is open. Chairperson Gron answered that if you

are walking into the dumpster, you could get cut. Adams suggested some type of

portable platform may work. He also said that in regards to the adults at the books, that

was the VFW and there were three book sellers. Anderson explained that what we

really need to do is target some of the adult organizations, Lion's Club, etc. Lyons

suggested that we send a separate letter. Schukat suggested that each committee

member take an organization and attend one of their meetings.

Anderson told the Committee that we are going to do a few things different next year.

For each recycling station we're going to preprint what will be accepted and what won't.

Also at 8:45 we're going to brief the team on their respective duties. After the briefing

and once each station says their ready, we'll open up. Lyons added that she would like

to resume how we used to do the survey, then we know where they came from and how

they heard about the event. Anderson suggested that to do that, you need to have three

volunteers; one counting cars and a volunteer on each lane. Lyons commented that

there were also less students this year, there were only 60 something. Bartt pointed out

that at least we didn't have to send any to electronics. Mason suggested that the

Committee members wear t-shirts to be identified easily by the volunteers. Anderson

responded that perhaps a vest set up for the supervisory staff would work better.

Ms. Morris commented that she thought it went fabulously well and it's remarkable how

you can get everything to work in that small space. It's a great event and it's something

that Lombard does really well.

Adams suggested that we have the trailer with the books from the Library drop off

earlier. Adams pointed out that there were several student volunteers that worked six

hours. Bartt added that there were kids that signed up for the 3 p.m.-5 p.m. slot and

they were disappointed because they only got one hour. Anderson explained that it

depends on the year and you don't want to cut your ability to act. One of the Committee

members mentioned that the Veterans Hospital will take paperbacks if we could find

someone to get them over there. Adams relayed a complaint that someone was going

to the cars and going through the books before they were unloaded. People have to be

told that if they are not signed up as a volunteer they can not unload cars. Anderson

reiterated that the only person who should be taking it to the table is the car owner or

the volunteer that signed a waiver.

2006 Solid Waste Contract - Update

Anderson told the Committee that Hernandez reported that August totals for recycling

were 532 tons compared to 486 in 2005.

The free leaf pick up will begin the week of October 23rd and run through December 1st.

Mosquito Abatement / West Nile Virus Information

Ms. Morris spoke regarding the Climate Protection Agreement. She expressed her

appreciation to Anderson for all of his work on it. One thing that concerned her was that

the inventory appears to be written off due to lack of staff. ICLE is helping cities do

climate protection. It's a membership organization, dues are based on the population of

the city. Lombard would be about $600 per year. They will not do the inventory but they

will provide software and training. It could be an intern job. They said it would take

about 10-12 weeks.

Anderson explained that collecting the data is not necessarily the problem. It's what you

do with the data to implement something, that's when you get into staff time.

Morris explained that the way it is being approached, you are looking at the itemized.

This is an opportunity for some creative thinking as well. One idea may be to waive the

sticker fee for hybrid cars. Wilmette has done that. Stickers are graded, meaning if you

have a hybrid its $50 if you have a Hummer it is $75. A good brain storming session

with this group (the Committee) could come up with some great things. Morris further

stated that she thinks that the Committee should think about this as an opportunity to

come up with some things that are unique to Lombard.

Mr. Hildebrand commented on the Recycling Extravaganza. He said that he thought

that the front end loaders slowed things down and also felt that the traffic could be set

up differently. General discussion ensued regarding traffic patterns and site logistics.