Village Hall |
255 East Wilson Ave. |
Lombard, IL 60148 |
villageoflombard.org |
Donald F. Ryan, Chairperson |
Commissioners: Martin Burke, |
Stephen Flint, Ronald Olbrysh, |
Ruth Sweetser, Rocco Melarkey |
and Sondra Zorn, Staff Liaison: William Heniff |
Chairperson Donald F. Ryan, Commissioner Stephen Flint, Commissioner Ruth |
Sweetser and Commissioner Sondra Zorn |
Committee Member Commissioner Daniel Broderick, Commissioner Ronald |
Olbrysh and Commissioner Martin Burke |
Chairperson Ryan indicated that there were two public hearings scheduled for this |
evening. PC 02-31 has been withdrawn by the petitioner. |
Roberth Kartholl, resident of dupage county and rep. and assisting mr. chuzicak and |
architct, mr. source, investor and partner in this facility. we are popsoing a teen facility |
at northgate parcel which has been vacant and previosuly occupied by a theater. the |
use is directed at teens and a combined use as a movie tehater, indoor skate park, and |
dance club/juice bar. He introducted Mr. Chic, who has operated similiar facility, and the |
architect, . his concern for this facility is the safety and secur8ty of patrons, impact of |
neighbrohoos and they believe they have solved those. |
Mr. Source, architect, 121 s. rookey road, ah, been in paractive for 22 years. oginial |
arch for notrhgate as well as shopping center. who presented the interior site plan |
maintain the existing theaters and remove portion of wall and have dance fllolor in |
center, a disc jockey. level lthe floor with doors in preent posiiton with additional doors |
at the back for exits. Will have ramp for ada compliance. the exisitng thetarer #2 will |
remain. the enrance will be the same but will divide off the concession stand and used |
for coat check and cafe for skate park. He also shoed an acetate overlay what the |
therater is currently and the improvements are shown in blue or deleted. There are |
raised platforms for dancing and he showed where the joice/beverage bar will go. |
Chris described the operation of the facility to address who to manage the |
ingress/egreess of patrons and generala information about security. Been in business |
for over 15 years and own another one and a similar business in another township. this |
facility wil have skate park becaue of the square footage and keep one of the existing |
moveie theaters. Patrons will be guided to their parking spots. they have 5 minutes to |
get their belongings, have a valid id, enter thru the front and get a ticket each sex on a |
different side, ids checked and searched by female and male officers. Thejoice bar only |
open on Friday/Saturday nights. once searched will enter into the club. when they |
leave must leave thru a separate exit , no loitering in parking lot which will have security |
personnel. On sat and sun afternoons the theater and skate park will be open. Same |
procedure for being searched. must have an insurance waiver they will have full |
insurance on allfacilities. on duty secuirty personnel int he move theater only. dance |
club not open when skate open. dance club only opens at 9 p.m. therefore junion teens |
will be vacated off the premises. Completinage if they will be open from 6-10 during the |
week that has skate parks open monday thru thrusday. He gave the hours of the skate |
park. all security personnel at each exit with police officers with one officer accepting |
Frank Partipello, who will head up security. 10-12 security personnel having shirts |
identifieyin their positions with walkie talkie. if any patron act up they are asked to leave |
then they are escorted out. want to run a clean safe place as most are to socialze and |
just dance. Have a letter of recommendation from the police chief that has business in |
and plat to run business strict . Have a lease on Northgate and his own expense. want |
to provide good entertainment for |
Ryan questioned the Dance club hours 17-20 open till 4 p.m. He has to cater to their |
needs and schedules and wants to stay competitiive Better to have them in a supervised |
environment. |
Attorney summarized employees in addition to security to have other employees, d.j.'s |
and management type employees. they will do full background checks on all employees |
with randum drug screenings, will cooperate with any training requirements lombard |
may have to senstive employee to observe problems understand police has a program |
which they will do and supplement any other trianing they can find. |
No one to sepeak in favor or against. |
JBgave staff report. she gave the location and description. She gave the comments |
from building and fire notes thats it must be inspected and replaced where necessary, |
occupancy loads, fire ratings, sit down with conceptual plans. |
Planning - cp recommends cc. the shopping center complies. Gave the location of the |
property and the surrounding land uses. she gave the operating hours which will not |
conflict with other businesses. will have security personnel in parking lot. this is |
appropriate use at this location |
ZO - indoor amusement establishment are cu and with board approval will comply. she |
gae parking requiremnts . draft langeuage by village counsel and if pc wishes they can |
add a condition. Staff recommends approval with conditions. |
Commisisoners: |
RS - 7-3-10-1 - what kind of live entertainment and what types of viodetapes. JP this is |
a sample ordinance by TB used in Village of Oak Lawn and Oak Park and not created |
with Lombard. this has not been changed for establishment in lombard. RS would there |
be any olive entertainment Chris - Yes live DJ's from radio stations, live groups |
performing, musci videos nothing poro in nature all in good taste and cleanly. Videos in |
dance club will havemoovie screens up and cameras of dancers so they can see |
themselves dancing. The skate park will have 2 theaters up so they can purchase a |
video of themselves skating. Security cameras placed thru club and one security in |
office taping video all night. |
SF - the hours duing the summer will it change Chris F & S will remain and sundays if |
need intending on Sundays . The skateboarding will be open at 11:30 m-th for summer |
break in an indoor air conitioned skate park. theater will also be in opn in summer. |
RS - training of personnel background checks and police program is there any attempt |
to security personnel with group dynamics other than negative type. JB police working |
with them and asked petitioner. Chris - intend to proceed with police and work hand in |
hand with them, will have Frank who will hire the other three police, will go thru 2-3 hour |
course. the security personnel are profeessionals and they are already trained and also |
getting along with patrons. will tell security to try to get along and find a balance. |
RS - impact on neighborhood, was there any mention of traffic or patterns. JB didn't see |
need for traffic study because alrady a high volume use and done at night. |
Rayb - will you be there all the time or back and forth between facilities. Chris for the |
first 6 months day and night, to be there every night to concentrate to make sure it is |
scucessful and ilw have managers on staff. 3-4 managers there at alltimes. Ryan |
thereater closed at 8 what types of movies? Chris PG 13, Fast & Furious, scary movie |
not R movies. will be open in afternnonn for younger teens so keep to PG 13 rating |
move. no cconlfit betwen theater and dance club. |
SZ - when looking to open. Chris - if approvals are successful lDecember 7 and oepn |
for the holidays. |
RS - have staff seen operation. JB no. |
It was moved by Commissioner Flint, seconded by Commissioner Sweetser, that |
this matter be recommended to the Corporate Authorities for approval subject to |
conditions. The motion carried by the following vote: |
Enactment No: Ordinance 5236 1000- |
RS - page 12 above the motion. Doesn't like the wording and Heniff will modify the |
language. |
BH looking for recommendation from dupage county ZBA looking for thoughts and |
considerations as this proeprty withing ultimate boundaries of lobmard. the existing |
deck on the property constructed within last year and encrouches in the side yard and |
asking for relief. Referred to table in memo as to the characteriscts. Gave the |
surrounding land uses. Staff looked at this in village codes. the villages regulations is |
less than county standards but the deck is over the height requirement. staff find the |
site plan the deck could be placed elsewhere , whee it curently it it may present an |
negative impact on owner to south. it will set a precedent and give appearnce of |
overcrowding. staff feels this would inconsistent with village policies and recommends |
resolution of objection. |
Ryan if he lived next door he would be upset. if we allow one it starts a precedent. |
Recommend denial on appearnce wise and see4ting precedence for future. |
RS-- how does this come to the village's attention BH when they do a public hearing |
dupage notifies us so we can comment since it is ulimately ours. |
It was moved by Chairperson Ryan, seconded by Commissioner Flint, that this |
matter be recommended for a Resolution of Objection to the Corpoarate |
Authorities. The motion carried by the following vote: |
Enactment No: Resolution 74-03 2S6 |
Staff has nothing to add. JP will be giving up the reins and George Wagner will be |
taking over for the November meeting. Ryan thanks her personnaly and for her support |
and comments. |
8:22- Took a 5 minute adjournment to set up slide presentation. Will reconvene in 5 |
minutes. Reconvened |
First Church of Lombard - JB received elevation for first church and gave what they are |
proposing. she showed a diagram to the commissioners. one level. space used for |
meetings, receiptions, dinners, group activities. Zoning relieft the western section of site |
currently zoned R2. they will apply for cu for religigous insuturiaton and more than one |
structure on lot. she gave the varitions. she mentioned the commmissioner's workshops |
previous comments and addressed each issue. She refeerred to another diagram |
relative to concern #3. |
The will submit for November PC meeting does the commissioners have any other |
comments. |
SF - main street access the 20' width will not be altered is that in/out. JB it will be made |
a one way. |
Ryan - how doe they pick up the extra parking. JB they are demolishing an existing |
house. |
SF - will there be islands in parking lot. JB none proposed now but they are aware of |
staffs concerns relative to landscaping. BH will be a balance between parking |
spacesvs. landcaping. SF - where will the dumpster go. JB will be screened. |
RS - north elevation is hard to tell if any architectural elements picked up on chapel. JB |
there isn't much there. RS - not a mjor consideration at all as long as it was done on the |
east and west side. BH they did consider the comment of having the old chapel the |
promonent building and pushed back the addition from Maple. |
Text Amendments |
Garages/outdoor retail sales/shipping containers/decks in rear yard. Chaiperson Ryan |
stated we will take each one separately. |
Garages - JB gave a background information and how the garages impact the |
neighbrohood. showed a power point presentation on the various types of garages . |
lobmard currently has no regulations ; gave other municipalities regulations in regard to |
size and location, square footage and incentives. would the PC feel the code should be |
amended |
Commisisoners: |
RS - hard to know where to start. is it an issue in lombard or do you want to get ahead |
of the game, the village's that have regulated what has been the impact. very |
complicated and given lot configurations and what they can do, seems to be a |
handicapp to use the lot in certain ways. |
Rayn - side load garage (?) diffuclt to get to the ideal when the land doesn't justify it by |
the size of lots in lombard. doens't this get into the resale value of the owner. |
RS - do you have any ideas or responses to her qustions. is is creating a negative |
impact here and elsewhere has it had positive effects. BH - being ahead of the game. |
issues brought up in varous journals particilary in rebuilds. starting to see 3 car garages |
in community and that could bring more incentive in coming years for garage to be a |
visual element. concern it is a design issue should develop guidelines, incentives to |
dsicourage the 85 percent in front of the house. don't ant to create house incompatible |
with neighborhood. Some communities have had rebuilds like hinsdale giving |
incentives. one way is to address thru attached garagesl |
RS - too many variables. trends in rebuilds - 3 car garages - the larger homes mitigate |
it. is there any way to get at it without specific requiorements. |
BH suggested staff gives differnet elevtions to present to the PC and they can decide. |
and then refine to see if there is a way to minimize impact. |
RS - lgarger garages and there are more things that people wnat to put into a garage. |
wil want them to accommodate more things as campers, trailers cannot be stored |
elsewhere. |
SZ - have seen communities where you just see garages out in front and detracts from |
thehome. |
Ryan - garage fannot be more than a certain percentage of the frontage. have a problem |
with the ones that take over the hwole front of the house. maximum percentage of the |
frontage. |
RS - will create more creative design if you put a limit on it. |
SF - a good benchmark would be frontage, look at percentage on the frontage and |
develop standard that way. |
RS - limit feet that it can project out in front of the house. dont make so complicated. |
BH staff will have draft sameple language and find examples that do and dont meet |
code in and out of lombard and have a vsual preesentation, what that would create. |
Retail Sales - BH sales that occur on or in front of retail store. exampled schroeder's. |
they are cu in B districts and temporary and seasonal garden sales. gas stations, |
grocery stores and dept/retail store seem to do this. |
Why have regulations? he noted the past pc cases associated with a cu for outdoor |
sales. why amend code? Consideration to outdoor sales. Concerns. Possible |
amendments. other considerations Staff looking for direction from pc. |
Ryan - they should be somewhat regulated and put a time on it. Would like to see a text |
amendments based off the three we did this year as a model |
RS - not sure about a busineessslicense for an excuse as an additional fee. |
Ryan - Time - need to tie in what hours they would do that. Cabash the hours so be |
flexible for gas stations versus menards type stores. BH staff will begin to look at village |
code similiar to valet parking. |
Shipping containers - gave definition of multi modal use. Background. village code |
does not regulate these containers. why regulate? intent of building codes |
interpretations - code amendment options for resdiential districts - commericla and office |
districts - other considerations - staff looking for direction to see if pc should allow |
consideration for sites under construction |
Ryan - just containers not semis without wheels. |
RS- there are smaller containers not classified as multimodal don't know how they work |
there might be other kinds of shipping structures that we might not to preclude because |
of the language. we should look at ways to minimize someone using a tempoary |
structure as permanent. |
SF - from aesthetics and safety standpoint should be regulated. |
Ryan - wondered about construction sites and if the containers they drop off are using |
the trailer and not the container. |
RS - active construction site might be a way to get around that. also what type of |
enforcement would you need to make sure they were removed afterward. |
Comnmittee agreed they should be regulated. |
Decks in rear yards - decks over 3' or covered must meet all setbacks. some cases |
where this is a problem. english basement type of situation or one with a swimming |
poole and deck connected to house. other communites relief. options. options |
available. Does the PC recommend amending code to allow taller rear deck in |
backyard. |
RS - topography as factor - yes that makes sense. on the whole something that can |
have common sense to allow a deck to be there without an eyesore. |
Ryan - the 3' tall deck isn't tht to accommodate the height of the back door. couldn't we |
set the hiehgt to tie in with the topogrpahy of land to equate to the backdoor level. |
SF concur |
RS - how far it can project don't have a preference to a lot line or a # of fee4t |
encrochment into a rear yard. |
Ryan more concerned about backyard setback. RS - is there an avage of how many |
homes buildconsistency int he back is not much of a factor in the back as it is in the front |
as when we discussed front yard porches. |
Commissioenrs decided that they hold to setback 35' maintained. BH introduced deck |
height issue below 3' (I have no idea what he is talking about) RS no objection if it is |
that low if it's under 3'not subject to encroachment. Ryan how much are running into |
this? BH aware of 2 cases right now and know of others and gave examples. |
Commissioners couldn't agree. BH suggested this be continued. Ryan asked for visual |
examples and include swimming pool examples . |