Village of Lombard Legistar System

Roberth Kartholl, resident of dupage county and rep. and assisting mr. chuzicak and

architct, mr. source, investor and partner in this facility. we are popsoing a teen facility

at northgate parcel which has been vacant and previosuly occupied by a theater. the

use is directed at teens and a combined use as a movie tehater, indoor skate park, and

dance club/juice bar. He introducted Mr. Chic, who has operated similiar facility, and the

architect, . his concern for this facility is the safety and secur8ty of patrons, impact of

neighbrohoos and they believe they have solved those.

Mr. Source, architect, 121 s. rookey road, ah, been in paractive for 22 years. oginial

arch for notrhgate as well as shopping center. who presented the interior site plan

maintain the existing theaters and remove portion of wall and have dance fllolor in

center, a disc jockey. level lthe floor with doors in preent posiiton with additional doors

at the back for exits. Will have ramp for ada compliance. the exisitng thetarer #2 will

remain. the enrance will be the same but will divide off the concession stand and used

for coat check and cafe for skate park. He also shoed an acetate overlay what the

therater is currently and the improvements are shown in blue or deleted. There are

raised platforms for dancing and he showed where the joice/beverage bar will go.

Chris described the operation of the facility to address who to manage the

ingress/egreess of patrons and generala information about security. Been in business

for over 15 years and own another one and a similar business in another township. this

facility wil have skate park becaue of the square footage and keep one of the existing

moveie theaters. Patrons will be guided to their parking spots. they have 5 minutes to

get their belongings, have a valid id, enter thru the front and get a ticket each sex on a

different side, ids checked and searched by female and male officers. Thejoice bar only

open on Friday/Saturday nights. once searched will enter into the club. when they

leave must leave thru a separate exit , no loitering in parking lot which will have security

personnel. On sat and sun afternoons the theater and skate park will be open. Same

procedure for being searched. must have an insurance waiver they will have full

insurance on allfacilities. on duty secuirty personnel int he move theater only. dance

club not open when skate open. dance club only opens at 9 p.m. therefore junion teens

will be vacated off the premises. Completinage if they will be open from 6-10 during the

week that has skate parks open monday thru thrusday. He gave the hours of the skate

park. all security personnel at each exit with police officers with one officer accepting

Frank Partipello, who will head up security. 10-12 security personnel having shirts

identifieyin their positions with walkie talkie. if any patron act up they are asked to leave

then they are escorted out. want to run a clean safe place as most are to socialze and

just dance. Have a letter of recommendation from the police chief that has business in

and plat to run business strict . Have a lease on Northgate and his own expense. want

to provide good entertainment for

Ryan questioned the Dance club hours 17-20 open till 4 p.m. He has to cater to their

needs and schedules and wants to stay competitiive Better to have them in a supervised

environment.

Attorney summarized employees in addition to security to have other employees, d.j.'s

and management type employees. they will do full background checks on all employees

with randum drug screenings, will cooperate with any training requirements lombard

may have to senstive employee to observe problems understand police has a program

which they will do and supplement any other trianing they can find.

No one to sepeak in favor or against.

JBgave staff report. she gave the location and description. She gave the comments

from building and fire notes thats it must be inspected and replaced where necessary,

occupancy loads, fire ratings, sit down with conceptual plans.

Planning - cp recommends cc. the shopping center complies. Gave the location of the

property and the surrounding land uses. she gave the operating hours which will not

conflict with other businesses. will have security personnel in parking lot. this is

appropriate use at this location

ZO - indoor amusement establishment are cu and with board approval will comply. she

gae parking requiremnts . draft langeuage by village counsel and if pc wishes they can

add a condition. Staff recommends approval with conditions.

Commisisoners:

RS - 7-3-10-1 - what kind of live entertainment and what types of viodetapes. JP this is

a sample ordinance by TB used in Village of Oak Lawn and Oak Park and not created

with Lombard. this has not been changed for establishment in lombard. RS would there

be any olive entertainment Chris - Yes live DJ's from radio stations, live groups

performing, musci videos nothing poro in nature all in good taste and cleanly. Videos in

dance club will havemoovie screens up and cameras of dancers so they can see

themselves dancing. The skate park will have 2 theaters up so they can purchase a

video of themselves skating. Security cameras placed thru club and one security in

office taping video all night.

SF - the hours duing the summer will it change Chris F & S will remain and sundays if

need intending on Sundays . The skateboarding will be open at 11:30 m-th for summer

break in an indoor air conitioned skate park. theater will also be in opn in summer.

RS - training of personnel background checks and police program is there any attempt

to security personnel with group dynamics other than negative type. JB police working

with them and asked petitioner. Chris - intend to proceed with police and work hand in

hand with them, will have Frank who will hire the other three police, will go thru 2-3 hour

course. the security personnel are profeessionals and they are already trained and also

getting along with patrons. will tell security to try to get along and find a balance.

RS - impact on neighborhood, was there any mention of traffic or patterns. JB didn't see

need for traffic study because alrady a high volume use and done at night.

Rayb - will you be there all the time or back and forth between facilities. Chris for the

first 6 months day and night, to be there every night to concentrate to make sure it is

scucessful and ilw have managers on staff. 3-4 managers there at alltimes. Ryan

thereater closed at 8 what types of movies? Chris PG 13, Fast & Furious, scary movie

not R movies. will be open in afternnonn for younger teens so keep to PG 13 rating

move. no cconlfit betwen theater and dance club.

SZ - when looking to open. Chris - if approvals are successful lDecember 7 and oepn

for the holidays.

RS - have staff seen operation. JB no.

BH looking for recommendation from dupage county ZBA looking for thoughts and

considerations as this proeprty withing ultimate boundaries of lobmard. the existing

deck on the property constructed within last year and encrouches in the side yard and

asking for relief. Referred to table in memo as to the characteriscts. Gave the

surrounding land uses. Staff looked at this in village codes. the villages regulations is

less than county standards but the deck is over the height requirement. staff find the

site plan the deck could be placed elsewhere , whee it curently it it may present an

negative impact on owner to south. it will set a precedent and give appearnce of

overcrowding. staff feels this would inconsistent with village policies and recommends

resolution of objection.

Ryan if he lived next door he would be upset. if we allow one it starts a precedent.

Recommend denial on appearnce wise and see4ting precedence for future.

RS-- how does this come to the village's attention BH when they do a public hearing

dupage notifies us so we can comment since it is ulimately ours.

8:22- Took a 5 minute adjournment to set up slide presentation. Will reconvene in 5

minutes. Reconvened

First Church of Lombard - JB received elevation for first church and gave what they are

proposing. she showed a diagram to the commissioners. one level. space used for

meetings, receiptions, dinners, group activities. Zoning relieft the western section of site

currently zoned R2. they will apply for cu for religigous insuturiaton and more than one

structure on lot. she gave the varitions. she mentioned the commmissioner's workshops

previous comments and addressed each issue. She refeerred to another diagram

relative to concern #3.

The will submit for November PC meeting does the commissioners have any other

comments.

SF - main street access the 20' width will not be altered is that in/out. JB it will be made

a one way.

Ryan - how doe they pick up the extra parking. JB they are demolishing an existing

house.

SF - will there be islands in parking lot. JB none proposed now but they are aware of

staffs concerns relative to landscaping. BH will be a balance between parking

spacesvs. landcaping. SF - where will the dumpster go. JB will be screened.

RS - north elevation is hard to tell if any architectural elements picked up on chapel. JB

there isn't much there. RS - not a mjor consideration at all as long as it was done on the

east and west side. BH they did consider the comment of having the old chapel the

promonent building and pushed back the addition from Maple.

Text Amendments

Garages/outdoor retail sales/shipping containers/decks in rear yard. Chaiperson Ryan

stated we will take each one separately.

Garages - JB gave a background information and how the garages impact the

neighbrohood. showed a power point presentation on the various types of garages .

lobmard currently has no regulations ; gave other municipalities regulations in regard to

size and location, square footage and incentives. would the PC feel the code should be

amended

Commisisoners:

RS - hard to know where to start. is it an issue in lombard or do you want to get ahead

of the game, the village's that have regulated what has been the impact. very

complicated and given lot configurations and what they can do, seems to be a

handicapp to use the lot in certain ways.

Rayn - side load garage (?) diffuclt to get to the ideal when the land doesn't justify it by

the size of lots in lombard. doens't this get into the resale value of the owner.

RS - do you have any ideas or responses to her qustions. is is creating a negative

impact here and elsewhere has it had positive effects. BH - being ahead of the game.

issues brought up in varous journals particilary in rebuilds. starting to see 3 car garages

in community and that could bring more incentive in coming years for garage to be a

visual element. concern it is a design issue should develop guidelines, incentives to

dsicourage the 85 percent in front of the house. don't ant to create house incompatible

with neighborhood. Some communities have had rebuilds like hinsdale giving

incentives. one way is to address thru attached garagesl

RS - too many variables. trends in rebuilds - 3 car garages - the larger homes mitigate

it. is there any way to get at it without specific requiorements.

BH suggested staff gives differnet elevtions to present to the PC and they can decide.

and then refine to see if there is a way to minimize impact.

RS - lgarger garages and there are more things that people wnat to put into a garage.

wil want them to accommodate more things as campers, trailers cannot be stored

elsewhere.

SZ - have seen communities where you just see garages out in front and detracts from

thehome.

Ryan - garage fannot be more than a certain percentage of the frontage. have a problem

with the ones that take over the hwole front of the house. maximum percentage of the

frontage.

RS - will create more creative design if you put a limit on it.

SF - a good benchmark would be frontage, look at percentage on the frontage and

develop standard that way.

RS - limit feet that it can project out in front of the house. dont make so complicated.

BH staff will have draft sameple language and find examples that do and dont meet

code in and out of lombard and have a vsual preesentation, what that would create.

Retail Sales - BH sales that occur on or in front of retail store. exampled schroeder's.

they are cu in B districts and temporary and seasonal garden sales. gas stations,

grocery stores and dept/retail store seem to do this.

Why have regulations? he noted the past pc cases associated with a cu for outdoor

sales. why amend code? Consideration to outdoor sales. Concerns. Possible

amendments. other considerations Staff looking for direction from pc.

Ryan - they should be somewhat regulated and put a time on it. Would like to see a text

amendments based off the three we did this year as a model

RS - not sure about a busineessslicense for an excuse as an additional fee.

Ryan - Time - need to tie in what hours they would do that. Cabash the hours so be

flexible for gas stations versus menards type stores. BH staff will begin to look at village

code similiar to valet parking.

Shipping containers - gave definition of multi modal use. Background. village code

does not regulate these containers. why regulate? intent of building codes

interpretations - code amendment options for resdiential districts - commericla and office

districts - other considerations - staff looking for direction to see if pc should allow

consideration for sites under construction

Ryan - just containers not semis without wheels.

RS- there are smaller containers not classified as multimodal don't know how they work

there might be other kinds of shipping structures that we might not to preclude because

of the language. we should look at ways to minimize someone using a tempoary

structure as permanent.

SF - from aesthetics and safety standpoint should be regulated.

Ryan - wondered about construction sites and if the containers they drop off are using

the trailer and not the container.

RS - active construction site might be a way to get around that. also what type of

enforcement would you need to make sure they were removed afterward.

Comnmittee agreed they should be regulated.

Decks in rear yards - decks over 3' or covered must meet all setbacks. some cases

where this is a problem. english basement type of situation or one with a swimming

poole and deck connected to house. other communites relief. options. options

available. Does the PC recommend amending code to allow taller rear deck in

backyard.

RS - topography as factor - yes that makes sense. on the whole something that can

have common sense to allow a deck to be there without an eyesore.

Ryan - the 3' tall deck isn't tht to accommodate the height of the back door. couldn't we

set the hiehgt to tie in with the topogrpahy of land to equate to the backdoor level.

SF concur

RS - how far it can project don't have a preference to a lot line or a # of fee4t

encrochment into a rear yard.

Ryan more concerned about backyard setback. RS - is there an avage of how many

homes buildconsistency int he back is not much of a factor in the back as it is in the front

as when we discussed front yard porches.

Commissioenrs decided that they hold to setback 35' maintained. BH introduced deck

height issue below 3' (I have no idea what he is talking about) RS no objection if it is

that low if it's under 3'not subject to encroachment. Ryan how much are running into

this? BH aware of 2 cases right now and know of others and gave examples.

Commissioners couldn't agree. BH suggested this be continued. Ryan asked for visual

examples and include swimming pool examples .