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Karl Ottosen, Attorney for the York Center Fire Protection District, gave each of the

Trustees a letter in regard to the informal Automatic First Response Agreement between

the Fire District and the Village. He said the agreement is no longer equally beneficial to

both the Village and the Fire District. He said in 2002, there were one hundred and

seventy three ambulance calls benefiting the Village versus thirty nine fire assistance

calls benefiting the Fire District. He commented that the gap would widen further as the

Village continues to annex properties. He said the Fire District could no longer justify

continuing this Agreement under the current circumstances. He advised the Board of

Trustees that the unwritten Automatic Aid Agreement would terminate on September 1,

2003 unless the Agreement is amended to make it equitable to both parties. He said the

Board of Trustees of the Fire Protection District would be receptive to engaging in

dialogue on this issue with Village officials and staff. Mr. Ottosen said the Fire Protection

District has no problem with mutual aid and also has a lot of respect for the Village of

Lombard. He said the Fire Protection District and the Village have gotten over many

hurdles over the last fifteen years and they are too professional not to work together.

Andy Bonomo, Fire Chief of the York Center Fire Protection District, spoke of the rising

call volumes and the huge burden on the taxpayers. He said he has no problem with the

mutual aid agreement, just the first responder. He said they are in a perfect location to

serve these people and that Lombard does not need a third fire station. He said that

York Center starts patient care and gets zero compensation, which will only get worse

with all the annexations.

President Mueller confirmed that discussions that have taken place and the Chief

agreed.

Nancy Perek, 0S684 School Street, stated that she has lived there since 1956. She said

she was delighted when she moved in, to see there were farms and very few homes.

She said she has seen a lot of growth of Lombard over the years. She stated that they

have a problem with their community well, as five homes on Ahrens Avenue are

connected to it. She said it is not efficient. She said her water is always rusty and she

has spent a lot of money on all kinds of equipment and the water is undrinkable. She

spoke of two fires in the area where a water truck had to put out the fires. She

commended the Board and said she looks forward to being in the Village of Lombard.

President Mueller thanked Joelyn Kott, Dirk Christensen, Linda Opland and staff for all

of their work for the Fourth of July parade, and also thanked the Lombard Jaycees and

all who worked at the Taste of Lombard. He expressed special thanks to the Jaycees

Fireworks Committee for the spectacular fireworks display. He mentioned that there

were people from Naperville, Villa Park and St. Charles, Missouri in attendance at the

fireworks. President Mueller spoke of the many Jaycees that will be recognized for their

efforts. He thanked Dave Hulseberg and staff for their efforts on the Realtors Tour, in

which forty-five to fifty realtors from Lombard and other towns, participated. President

Mueller encouraged the realtors to "sell Lombard".

President Mueller then spoke about the DuPage Water Commission. He said the

DuPage County Commissioner Schillerstrom took a bill to Springfield to take money

from the DuPage Water Commission. President Mueller stated that the bill was sitting on

Governor Blagojevich's desk and has not yet been signed into law. He informed the

Board that the Water Commission has formed a special Committee for the purpose

refinancing bonds. When the special committee met, County representatives suggested

financing an additional sixty seven million dollars to put in reserves. President Mueller

mentioned a front page article in Daily Herald newspaper where the headline read "Did

Schillerstrom Take Too Much Money?" He mentioned the meetings of the Mayors of the

charter customers of the Water Commission which were held recently. He thanked

everyone for refinancing just the bonds we have and not going for the extra sixty seven

million dollars, as the residents would have to pay if the County continues to try to take

the money from Water Commission.

President Mueller then informed the residents of the Sacred Heart German Fest which

was going to be held from Thursday, July 24th through Sunday, July 27th.

Trustee Soderstrom spoke of the public participation comments at the Board of Trustees

meeting of June 19, 2003 regarding the forcible annexations. He stated the annexation

was being done for several reasons, such as there are water quality problems at some

streets, as some residents have shared wells with no agreement for service, code

violations exist for both residents and businesses. He said most importantly, this is

Lombard, and we would like to see it as Lombard. He thought the biggest concern of the

homeowners were dollars and cents. Trustee Soderstrom had staff run the figures on

the properties, and after annexation, the average tax bill would increase only $162.00

per year. He also said that for those that already have Village water, rates would go

down to the Village rate and would offset the increase in taxes. He stated that there is

some question if the Board is annexing these properties for profit or the best interest of

the residents. He said the Village receives an average of $306.00 per parcel in profit. He

stated that the Village is not getting rich from annexations, but the annexations are being

done for the right reasons.

Trustee DeStephano talked about the no left turn issue that was raised at the June 19,

2003 Board of Trustees meeting. She said a comment was made at that time that she

supported closing all left turn lanes south of St. Charles, and that was not true. She

stated that she researched the meetings of the Board of June 21, 2001, January 3,

2002, January 31, 2002, June 6, 2002, and September 5, 2002. She mentioned

particularly the January 3, 2002 meeting. She stated that Charles Lane was in District

Two at the time. She said this Village considered closing Charles Lane as requested by

Trustee Tross and she was assured three times that Madison would remain open. She

said this has inconvenienced many to help a few. She wanted her constituents to know

that she only voted to close Charles Lane because she was assured that Madison would

stay open.

Trustee Tross spoke about the agreement for stormwater detention for the

Morris/Crescent area and said that there is still one property agreement lacking. He said

that residents have expressed concern. He also spoke of the Flowerfield's sanitary

sewer that runs through Flowerfield into Glenbard Wastewater, and said that many

unincorporated residents are tapped into that. He stated that there are approximately

nine homeowners that reside in incorporated Lombard that have received an exorbitant

bill from the County Public Works Department of $1.26 per day plus surcharges, and the

County suggested in a letter to residents that it is due to the Village of Lombard.

Trustee Tross mentioned that there will be no Italian Fest at Christ the King Parish, but

there will be a Parish picnic, August 10, 2003, with non-parishioners welcome.

President Mueller asked Trustee Tross if he had a copy of the letter from the County

that went to residents.

Mr. Lichter commented that the letter from the County was inaccurate.

President Mueller stated that he hoped the residents know what is going on at the State

and County level. He said that a payout had to be approved by the Glenbard Waste

Water Association because of a new tax that legislators have passed on sanitary

facilities and our plant is going to cost us close to 50% of $77,000.00 due to unfunded

mandates.

President Mueller then talked about a letter sent to residents from Waste Management

regarding a rate increase. He said the State has passed on to haulers dumping fees

which will be passed on to us, as they continue to tap into our resources. President

Mueller said we will continue services to the best of our ability at the lowest possible

cost.

Trustee DeStephano thanked the Transportation and Safety Committee for the

recommendation for changes to commuter parking times so people can shop and park.

She also thanked Trustee Sebby and the Committee for the variance on the sidewalk

policy for 44 S. Columbine, on that evening's agenda, as the sidewalk doesn't really go

anywhere. She said she would like to see eleven foot lane width at the St. Charles

intersection and have it taper as it goes to Route 53 if possible. She asked if there was a

consensus to reconsider lane width at the intersection.

President Mueller would refer it to Mr. Lichter, who in turn could refer it to IDOT.

Village Manager William T. Lichter commented that the issue is about twenty-five to

thirty trees on the west side may be lost. IDOT is looking at the issue as well as if the

turning lanes could be reduced to eleven feet. He commented that IDOT will not

consider it unless it is in the form of a written request. He stated that IDOT is also

considering the turning radii.

President Mueller said that an item could be added to the agenda to authorize the

drafting of a letter.

Trustee Tross wondered if it would not be better to direct a letter to IDOT after it comes

to a public meeting.

Trustee Sebby felt that the redesigning had to go through engineering.

Village Engineer Dave Dratnol said it was questionable if IDOT would consider this. He

did say that the request would have to be in writing and could be done in advance.

Trustee Soderstrom said he that he would like to get feedback from staff and questioned

if it was put on that evening's agenda, was there consensus of the Board to do this.

President Mueller suggested requesting IDOT to look at saving as many of the trees as

possible and reduce the width of the lane. He said this would not be making a

commitment, just for them to consider the issues.

Trustee Florey thought this made sense,

President Mueller asked if there was consensus of the Board to send a letter to IDOT to

look at these options and come back to the Village with suggestions.

Mr. Lichter explained that Mr. Heniff had made a presentation at the June 19, 2003

meeting on this topic, but due to the lateness of the hour at that time, no discussion took

place, and there are some questions left unanswered. He turned the discussion over to

the Director of Community Development, David Hulseberg.

Mr. Hulseberg said that there are two areas about which staff has questions and they

are looking for direction on a third. He said that first; staff is seeking direction as the

opportunity exists for annexing I355 from Butterfield to the Northernmost Village limits at

Northgate Plaza. He explained that the Village of Woodridge has been successful in

acquiring I355 in their jurisdiction. He further explained that the Tollway is within the

territory of our Boundary Agreement with Glen Ellyn. He said that it may be a good time

for annexation. Mr. Hulseberg told them that it would only be the Tollway itself, not

properties. He explained that the Lombard Fire and Police Departments already serve

this area. He told the Board that it would require significant legal work, but said that it

would secure the boundary to the West for the future

Trustee Tross emphasized that while he supports rounding off boundaries, since this

western boundary effects Districts One, Two, Three and Six, he said he was thinking

about the unincorporated areas around Charles Lane, Harding and Madison as well as

the areas west of Route 53, some of which are in Flowerfield. He said that people may

become overly anxious and disturbed. He does not want this action to become the

starting gun to forcible annexations. He said he would support annexing I355.

Trustee Florey said he also supports annexation as it does include a couple of areas

that we have been working with the County to clean up and some facilities we have

wanted to keep out. He asked if this would include the proposed storage facility.

Mr. Hulseberg responded that it is a separate area, it would only be the Tollway itself.

Trustee Florey commented that hopefully we can address areas that have given us

trouble.

President Mueller asked if there would be any disadvantages to the annexation and

wanted to clarify that if we take in the Tollway we would not take in anything west.

Director of Community Development David Hulseberg responded that there would be no

disadvantage but it would actually strengthen the Village's position for future

annexations.

Trustee DeStephano questioned how this would strengthen our position and asked if

there were legal issues.

Director Hulseberg explained those boundary agreements last for a 20-year period, and

eventually have to be renegotiated, to annex the Tollway would mean that Lombard

would have the areas within our boundary agreement in perpetuity.

President Mueller mentioned that some areas that are not in our area for annexation but

that of Glen Ellyn.

Mr. Hulseberg responded that we would not look for annexation of those areas, but

would assist in getting those areas platted.

President Mueller asked if we would work with the other municipalities, annexing the

Tollway to the centerline.

Director Hulseberg replied that the whole Tollway would be in our area, we would annex

the full right-of-way.

Trustee Sebby inquired as to the increase in cost for Public Works services.

Mr. Hulseberg assured the Board that there would only be legal and platting fees and a

one-time fee for recording, but no cost for maintenance.

President Mueller wanted clarification that once the retention ponds come into Lombard

we would not have the responsibility for maintenance.

Mr. Hulseberg affirmed that clarification is correct, even though the Tollway would be

within the Corporate Limits of Lombard, the Tollway Authority owns it and would have

the responsibility for its maintenance.

Director Hulseberg then referenced the map provided in the packet and pointed out

areas F, H, I and N. He said that the Economic and Community Development

Committee had recommended that the Village offer an economic incentive program that

would allow for sales tax and property tax to be rebated back to these businesses to be

used for beautification and life safety improvements. These incentives would encourage

the properties to annex to the Village so that the Village can see to it that the properties

are improved. He said that they would need approval by the board and the monies

would be held in escrow.

Trustee Soderstrom stated that he could only approve this plan if Board approval does

not mean that these incentives would be offered carte blanche to all businesses, an

unofficial policy to be used by the Community Development Department, but to be

decided on a case by case basis.

Trustee Tross echoed Trustee Soderstrom's opinion that this should only be done on a

case by case basis with the approval of the Trustee of the District before it comes before

the Board. He mentioned that incentives had only been given in the past to Von Maur

and the Toyota dealership, and feels that this item is best left to individual cases. He

further stated he is not in favor until he knows the specific property.

Trustee Florey said that when the issue was reviewed by the Economic and Community

Development Committee, they viewed the program favorably as the perception is that

these properties on Roosevelt Road are already in Lombard. This is a way to get those

businesses into our town, beautify and improve the area, get the locations up to code

and receive sales tax revenue. Under the right circumstances, on case by case basis, it

could be a tool for staff to approach business owners.

Trustee Koenig said that the program should not be administered carte blanche. She

said that this program can be differentiated from the Von Maur and Toyota incentives, as

they were not for the gain of sales tax but an incentive to stimulate the economy. She

agreed that there are a number of businesses that are out of compliance because the

County does not exact the same standards that we do. She said she likes this plan

because it gives the village a way to overcome any resistance from property owners

about annexing and bring properties into the village.

Trustee DeStephano asked David Hulseberg if a property is being considered and said

that these cases should be worked out with the Board before anything is initiated.

Mr. Hulseberg responded that prior to annexation, terms of agreement would come

before the Board. He explained that the Board's approval of the concept is requested

but the department would not be empowered to proceed with any property by receiving

the Board's approval of the concept.

Trustee DeStephano made the clarification that this does not mean that Mr. Hulseberg is

empowered to enter into any agreements.

Mr. Hulseberg said that he just wants agreement from the Village Board to bring the

concept forward.

Trustee Soderstrom explained that he does not want this offered to any businesses in

his District without his consent and Board of Trustee approval. He wants each case to

come to the Board. He said that Board approval would not be given before the Board is

assured that nothing will be offered to the property owners first.

President Mueller agreed saying that we generally do not offer incentives, he does not

want to see offering sales tax to a hot dog stand or that type of business, but in a case

where there is redevelopment occurring on Roosevelt Road on a case by case basis.

He agreed that before incentives are offered, the Village Board should know.

Trustee Koeing said that it is her understanding that the Board agrees with the concept.

She spoke of past boards who disagreed vehemently with subsidies of sales tax.

The President stated that the Board's position has not changed. He said that Lombard

does not offer incentives to annex in general, but individual cases may come forth where

this could be used.

Trustee Tross said that the concept of using every tool available to benefit the Village is

good and this will be something that is in our arsenal to use. He would question anyone

that is considering annexation along Roosevelt Road if they said we'll annex if we get

sales tax rebates.

Trustee Sebby said that while he supports concept, he has concerns about giving back

sales tax.

Director Hulseberg then introduced the subject of Board direction regarding the

Congress Knolls Subdivision.

Trustee Koenig said that she has talked with Mr. Hulseberg about this. She said she

felt that if we hold Congress Knolls, or a similar subdivision, to our usual standards to

require curbs, gutters, sidewalks and street lighting, it would severely the alter the

character of the neighborhood. She would not want them to be required to undergo the

same improvements as in newer neighborhoods.

Trustee Soderstrom agreed with Trustee Koeing, saying that when the two sides get

together on a voluntary annexation, these issues can be handled in an annexation

agreement.

Trustee Tross said that it would be important for them to know that it would be their

choice. He said that Congress Knolls is a well-maintained gorgeous area, they should

come to us, we won't be eyeing it. He said we should hold to the standards that they

have. He said that some of the subdivision's covenants may be unenforceable.

President Mueller said that it is zoned estate said would look at that as an exception and

leave it zoned estate. He said that we are starting to get some interest from the south

end of Congress Knolls because of water issues.

Trustee DeStephano asked for examples of their covenants.

Trustee Tross explained that they dealt with things such as the size of the lots, fencing,

mandatory membership in a homeowners association, agreements with Township

Highway Commission. He said that others deal with front yard and tree maintenance,

culverts and mailboxes. Some may or may not be enforceable standards. He explained

that the Congress Knolls Homeowners' Association has been in existence for 50 some

years. They don't want the individuals in the entire neighborhood to live by their own

standard.

President Mueller said that we have worked to help the Congress Knolls residents in the

past, giving the example of installing pork chops when Fountain Square was developed

to limit traffic into their area.

Trustee Tross said that one of the residents' of Congress Knolls' biggest concerns is

that developers may be looking at developing townhomes on 22nd Street and Meyers

Road back to School Street. They feel that townhomes such as the ones that were built

on Meyers Road would change the character of the neighborhood.

President Mueller said that the former Mayor of Oakbrook Terrace allowed that to

happen before a boundary agreement was in place, not this Board.

Trustee Tross said that if developers are eyeing Meyers Road, he hoped we would not

allow them to over build the area.

Trustee Soderstrom said that Trustee Tross could relax on that and rest assured that it

is not the direction of this Board for that to occur.

Director Hulseberg explained that staff has received comments from Trustees

DeStephano and Florey as to enforcement of this section to have petitioners obtain plats

of re-subdivision in all cases. He said that they understand the concerns of the Trustees

and are suggesting changes to facilitate a more resident-friendly approach. He said that

staff suggests that when there is construction of a principal structure, there still be a

requirement for the property to be a legal lot of record.

Mr. Hulseberg said that in section B they propose a change rather than using the

measurement of 50% of fair market value, determined by square footage. Any

construction under 300 square feet, which would have an approximate cost of $50,000

no lot of record would be required. In section C any construction of an accessory

building over 800 square feet, a lot of record would be required. Mr. Hulseberg

explained that this has to go before the Plan Commission but they are looking for Board

direction before they send the matter to the Plan Commission.

Trustee DeStephano thanked staff for the work they have done on this matter. She

stated that she had requested this revision as her District (District 1) has a lot of older

properties that are tax subdivision lots and not lots of records. She said that the interest

rates are low right now and many people want to take advantage of those rates and

improve their homes. She said that to have a new survey done is in the range of

$700-$800 and in addition, there are recording fees with the County. She explained that

many residents are complaining because if they are doing a smaller construction job,

such as adding a porch, they feel they are being penalized by having to pay these fees.

She said that she likes what staff has come back with. She feels this will ease the

burden to taxpayers that want to improve their home.

Mr. Hulseberg said that if a resident is putting in an addition or accessory structure.

Trustee Sebby wanted clarification that they propose to waive that requirements on

certain types of new construction.

Mr. Hulseberg said that only on those properties that meet these revisions. On larger

additions or structures, we will make sure the plat that they are providing is a lot of

record. He said we would be liberalizing the code with regard to smaller projects. We

will still accept their plat on smaller projects.

Trustee Sebby asked if the plat does not have to be current.

Director Hulseberg explained that if a survey has a surveyor's stamp, it's been accepted.

He said that we have accepted aerial photo from village records if no plat has been

available. He stated that on larger types of projects, residents will need to go through

the expense which will clarify that their property is a legal lot of record.

Trustee Sebby asked what potential liabilities reducing the requirements would cause

the Village.

Mr. Hulseberg answered that it would cause none. He explained that the petitioner has

the obligation to provide information that is true and correct.

Trustee Soderstrom offered an example from District 6 where a resident did not have a

lot of record and wanted to put a deck on his pool. The resident had to get a survey for

a lot of record for that small project. He said that this enforcement was not resident

friendly and these changes will eliminate bureaucracy that is unnecessary.

Trustee Tross wanted to make clear that just because someone has a plat of survey

does not mean it is a lot of record. He will support the changes and hopes that the Plan

Commission will as well. He explained that when this very strict guideline, that the

residents must obtain a lot of record was imposed, it was done because of the many tax

assessment parcels and this was done to protect homeowners on 48 foot lots that are

non-conforming to our current standard. He explained that if that situation exists and

the home burns the petitioner would have some tough times obtaining variations. When

people request to build on smaller lots we turn them down. He asked them to imagine

how many lots would have to go through variation procedure if the lot is less than 60 feet

and not a lot of record.

President Mueller asked Trustee Tross about many lots on Morningside when the

Village took a whole block of properties and made them lots of record. He asked why

we can't do that in other areas.

Trustee Tross replied that the Board had denied a variance and then went back and

made certain they were lots of record. He also said that there are many lots that do not

meet current code and are not lots of record.

Director Hulseberg said that he made a good point and suggested that Community

Development will have a handout made to hand out when the petitioner does not have a

lot of record.

President Mueller said that it would be to the petitioner's advantage to have a lot of

record. He said that there are cases where if the resident did not have a lot of record,

their insurance companies would not pay claims.

Trustee DeStephano said she hoped that taxpayers would want the lot of record and

that with our wonderful fire department, fire would not be a problem. She also said that

for the smaller project this would be less cumbersome and more customer friendly.

President Mueller reminded her that the area has the oldest homes that are more

susceptible to fire. He added that we are trying to help residents, but asked if we are

creating a problem for the neighbors. He sited situations where a deck was installed

improperly and a fence was infringing on a neighbors property. He said the neighbor

whose property the fence was installed on was elderly and very upset.

Director Hulseberg said that it is the homeowners' responsibility to know their property

lines, adding that the Village does not have surveying staff to be able to monitor the

property lines.

President Mueller asked that since we are not monitoring and not requiring a lot of

record, are we creating a problem.

Mr. Hulseberg answered that there is always a risk, pointing out that builders have built

where they aren't supposed to and had to come to the Board for variations.

Trustee Florey gave the example of two neighbors who put up garages, one had a lot of

record and one didn't. The one who did not have a lot of record would have to pay $700

for a survey while the other neighbor did not. While the problem of putting a fence on an

inaccurate survey can happen, we are trying to eliminate some of the hoops He said

the only benefit he is hearing is that if a house burns down, you don't have to go through

a variance process. We have some minimum requirements that we don't strictly apply,

while everyone should have a lot of record, we are just moving the requirements up to

the bigger projects.

Trustee Sebby said that while he is concerned about making building additions in the

Village of Lombard over burdensome, he thinks that the proper documents should be

required. He stated that he does not support these changes.

President Mueller said that he often gets calls from people doing their driveways, is this

going to apply to that too. He asked where do we stop. He said that while he supports

trying to eliminate any steps that hinder our residents, he is also concerned about those

they may infringe upon.

Trustee Soderstrom explained that we are not waiving the requirement for a plat of

survey, simply not requiring the properties to become a lot of record.

Trustee Koenig, added that if staff provides the homeowner with information that they

aren't a lot of record, she would like to see some verification that the homeowner

received the information.

President Mueller asked if Community Development could send certified letters so that

we know the homeowners have been given the information.

Trustee DeStephano made motion, seconded by Trustee Tross

Trustee Tross asked Attorney Bayer, if this could be moved ahead sooner considering

the building projects that are waiting to move forward, because this won't become law

until at least October.

Trustee DeStephano said that they are working under a bond, they can continue their

projects but they are liable.

Trustee Tross said that since we want to be resident friendly let them start their projects

this weekend.

President Mueller said that is good to have the bond as we need to protect ourselves.

Trustee Florey explained that although they are changing a rule that will make it less

expensive for homeowners, there are some already in the process who have had to

purchase a survey. He said that the Board is sorry that some residents have gotten

caught up in the old way of doing things. He said that it was not the fault of staff and

that as soon as it was brought up, staff responded.

Trustee Tross asked them to think of the number of tax parcels, if we don't have lots of

record, we will be inundated with a lot of tear downs and homes being built where they

should not be.

Trustee Sebby restated, for clarification, that his position is that he is not in favor of the

change and we should maintain what we currently have.

Manager William Lichter introduced the topic of Route 53 Median Cuts, explaining that

there were some items left open in regard to Route 53 at the last meeting. He said that

IDOT has presented some options and they are looking for direction from the Village

Board. He called upon Village Engineer David Dratnol to present the details of those

options.

Mr. Dratnol explained the two alternatives for left turns at Route 53 and Pleasant and the

option of a left turn at the Church of the Nazarene in terms of traffic flow. He said that

from staff's perspective, the preferred location is at Pleasant rather than at the church.

He added that another drawback to both is the additional cuts will necessitate the taking

of additional right-of-way. He said that this would be especially true of the median

opening at the church entrance. The property most effected would be on the East Side

of Route 53 across from the church.

Trustee DeStephano inquired as to how much property would be required for that

median cut.

Mr. Dratnol responded that we are unable to determine the quantities from the

preliminary sketch.

Trustee DeStephano said that she would like to see a lot of cuts and a light, although

she said she did not favor them taking more property. The median effect will be

attractive and create the appearance of a boulevard, but she doesn't want the residents

to be inconvenienced and have to travel quite a distance to turn around. She added that

if it slows traffic, it would be good, saying we do not need a superhighway, we have 355

for that. She said she would like to see staff pursue the two median cuts and a light.

She asked staff to determine what square footage would be taken.

David Dratnol reminded the Board that if additional curb cuts are added, that will effect

the warrants that support getting a traffic signal and added that IDOT will not put in a

traffic signal unless it is warranted.

Trustee DeStephano asked what the criteria are to warrant a signal, whether it is

hundreds or thousands of cars per hour.

Mr. Dratnol responded that there are six or eight criteria that could be applied and they

are published.

Trustee Tross said that he lives on a four-lane highway and can sympathize, but this is a

State Highway. If you continue to request additional cuts, you may as well go with the

5-lane scenario. There can be too many curb cuts, which would create a traffic hazard.

The median concept here is to facilitate a protected left turn. He said he supports the

original plan. He said he hopes to continue to look at supporting the position of safe

traffic turns in the southwest quadrant and get Madison involved in this project.

Trustee Soderstrom said that he agrees that with more curb cuts, while people do need

access, you are defeating the purpose of a raised median. He also said that the curb

cut belongs at the intersection not at the church. He would like to see lights at Meadow

and at Madison. He said that he supports Staff's position that with two curb cuts there

would be more potential to possibly lose a light.

Trustee Florey said there are some long stretches where people will have to make U

turns; it makes sense to accommodate a facility that has high traffic volume for safety.

He said we should allow the second curb cut saying that we have other medians with

curb cuts to accommodate access. He used the example of South Main Street, (south

of Roosevelt Road). He said he wants traffic to flow but not at the expense of residents.

President Mueller said that the maximum stretch is two blocks.

Trustee Sebby agreed that we do want traffic to flow, but to flow safely. He said the

more curb cuts that are installed, the greater potential for increase of risks to the public

and residents. He said he supports Staff's original plan

President Mueller explained that IDOT has told us that Meadow does not meet their

requirements for signalization. He said that we have continually told IDOT that we want

a light there and at Madison. He added that IDOT is running new surveys.

David Dratnol said that IDOT's preliminary studies didn't support a signal at Meadow but

Staff has asked IDOT to consider and evaluate what the numbers would be if that was

the only light, with the contention that signalization would be warranted in that situation.

President Mueller said that we have brought up our request for three lanes continually

and that if the plan calls for anything more, we want signals. He said that by asking for

more curb cuts, we may jeopardize our chances for signalization.

Trustee DeStephano asked what the requirements are and if we were some 20% lower

in the numbers of cars than the warrants or some other figure. She said she would like

to see the numbers they use.

Mr. Dratnol answered that we don't have numbers, they have criteria for traffic on main

streets as well as side streets, the amount of delay and distributions of traffic. They look

at specific requirements and a number of criteria

Trustee DeStephano stated that she would like to see the numbers and Mr. Dratnol

responded that he could get them.

President Mueller cautioned that if we keep going to IDOT with questions and making

additional requests, we won't get what we want. He stated that the Village wants to

make sure we get what we want for Route 53.

Community Promotions and Tourism, Historic Commission, Plan Commission, and

Zoning Board of Appeals. The following Committees would invite one member per

Committee, Board of Fire and Police Commissioners and the Board of Local

Improvements with two representatives from each of the following governmental bodies:

School District 44 School District 45, School District 87, School District 88, Helen Plum

Library and the Lombard Park District.

Mr. Lichter suggested the dates of Saturday, October 4, 2003 or Saturday October 11,

2003 and the proposed time would be 8:30 am to 12:00 pm. He suggested a forty-five

minute overview of what is going on in Lombard with the groups to identify key issues,

and discuss ideas for the future. Staff would consolidate the information into a document

that would be distributed and used by the Board of Trustees during its annual strategic

planning session.

Trustee Sebby was concerned about getting this all done in a four hour time frame, but

he felt that input from citizens will expand the opportunities that the Board has for the

Village of Lombard.

President Mueller stated that the concept was a good one, but it would be difficult to get

volunteers to come and sit for four to eight hours as the Board of Trustees does. He felt

it is great to bring residents in for direction.

Trustee Koenig thought this was an excellent idea, and stated that District 44 has done

this for quite a some time now. She said it was important for the Board to bring in the

opinions of other governmental bodies.

Trustee Tross was also concerned with fifty-six people, plus staff, and the Board of

Trustees completing this in a four hour time frame.

Trustee DeStephano said she was honored when she participated in the

Comprehensive Plan Committee. She felt if the agenda is crisp and the objectives brief,

the Board can get new, fresh ideas. She said she will start the process with her

Committee on Tuesday, July 22, 2003.