Village of Lombard Legistar System

Robert Lewis reviewed the report on St Charles & Grace.

Detour Route - People were concerned with the route presented at the public meeting.

The detour route will only be in place starting with the second phase of the project when

the railroad crossing is closed. The road from Westmore to Grace will be open for local

traffic. This will be maintained through all phases of the project.

Mr. Favia would like to see Parkside open for that month with the exception of trucks.

Robert Lewis responded that it would not meet the Federal regulations for traffic

division.

Robert Lewis- We will strive to accomodate the businesses. On a daily basis there will

be access, it is a part of the contract. If you are getting shipments or have shipments

going out or customers coming in there wil be access.

The people in attendance were also concerned about the duration of the project. Why

two phases, why impact the area twice?

Robert Lewis - Part of the problem is a multiple agency problem. There is still a lot of

discussion about the crossing. Union Pacific would prefer we don’t do the project. They

are petitioning that we put a bridge in. If we keep two phases, we can bid & rebuild from

St Charles Place to Westmore. It could take a few years to resolve the issue of the

crossing. If we don’t start by October 1, next year, we will lose the funding. That way

when we get everyone to agree on the crossing, the funding will be available.

Lighting - The report did not indicate that our lighting was lacking. Robert Lewis-we will

direct our consultant to look at lighting out there. We would also have to do a feasability

study. The current system may not be able to handle additional lighting. Recommend

to do lighting as an in-house project, rather than going through IDOT for the funding.

Consider it a separate project.

Robert Lewis reveiwed the reasons for the multi-phasing.

Asking that the committee concur that it stay as two construction projects, and allow

consultant to estimate the cost of a separate lighting project.

Gordon Hallbeck-Couldn’t we just post Parkside “no truck traffic”? Robert Lewis-it will

be posted “No through traffic”.

John Kaforski-The car volume alone on Parkside would be too much. Robert

Lewis-There are 27,000 cars going down that corridor. Parkside is designed to handle

3,500 cars. It is also a residential street. Parkside will be open and there will be

increased traffic, but if it becomes a problem it will be enforced.

John Kaforski-You could put a sign up with the businesses that are open.

Rocky Favia-You mentioned 27,000 cars go through there, do you think that many will

come St Charles? Robert Lewis-if there is a detour many of them will turn.

Art Farris, 1 N. Grace - What consideration has been given to making Parkside a

cul-de-sac and moving the intersection down. Robert Lewis-we have not really

considered it, I would not make it part of the project, but it is certainly something that

could be looked at in the future. Art-The trucks can’t go northbound on Grace anyhow,

so if they moved the whole intersection West it would be better, including for the Peck

home. If they pushed the whole thing down, it would eliminate alot of problems. Robert

Lewis-at the time of the study, we did not own the Peck home property. We want to

avoid having this project hike up to an environmental assessment or statement. If we

took any of that property, we would have had to prove that we could not avoid the

impact. You have to prove that you are minimizing and mitigating any impact to a Park.

That’s how the geometry got pushed to the northeast corner. Art-the Right-of-Way

wouldn’t hardly effect the property. Robert Lewis-there is enough room for the road but

there is not enough for the clear zone. Art-you could get a better right angle further

down and it would eliminate the property being taken from V&R.

Stan Rickard-the Fire Dept. uses Parkside when going on an eastbound call. They don’t

risk getting caught by a train at the crossing.

Robert Lewis-If we don’t apply and go through this process we loose that 18.2 cents at

the pump.

Art-since we put the stop lights up there, the traffic has jammed up more than it ever

was. Those were supposed to be put up temporarily. Lombard is the only town that

provides people the opportunity to go straight across the tracks without jogging around.

Even with special lights there will still be people standing there.

Joan Destephano-has the traffic increased since before the light?

Art-no, people avoid that intersection at all costs.

John Jaugilas-that has consistently been on the list of top ten accident intersections.

Key point here is right now this is what’s approved, by going through with this and

starting Phase I, we get St Charles redone up to St Charles Place. At that point we can

start looking at alternatives for Phase II. Since we have acquired the property up there

and it has been sub-divided into 2 lots it could have potential. Robert Lewis-yes we will

own it it then. John Jaugilas-We should get the eastern portion repaired and get the

Federal dollars for it and then start looking at changes.

Joe Karban-There was talk of building a bridge over the intersection 30 years ago.

Vito Favia-Do both projects, once it’s agreed it is not an automatic for the 2nd project.

For the 2nd project you have to talk to who? RL-Phase II we will ask the local funding

agency to put it on a multi year list. After a period of time we have to compete with other

communities. We feel we can keep both phases there if we maintain this plan.

Gordon Hallbeck-You still have to get Union Pacific, ICC, & IDOT to agree to this

design. Robert Lewis-it will take at least 1 more year, it could take up to 4 years. What

is complicating this is the Seven Angels bus accident. Our project is one of the first to

come through since that accident. So we are jumping through a lot of hoops.

Carol Noffsinger-Regarding the signage during the construction: she's afraid that if there

is a “Road Closed” sign that goes up at Westmore or Grace, that it will effect the

businesses. She was told that IDOT requires it. We would like some assurances on

how they can counter that sign with other signage to make it clear to patrons that they

can get down the road.

Robert Lewis The designer has a maintainance of traffic pay item, 1 lane in each

direction will be open at all times. What they may have to do to accomodate that is put

up “Lane Closed” or Lane Closures Ahead. When we get to the detour, the crossing

closing, we will have to put up the Road Closed signs. Carol-As long as one lane is

open you don’t have to post closed. Robert Lewis-correct

Steven Preins recommended approval of Phase I as presented. There was a

concensus to recommend to the Board of Trustees for approval.

Robert Lewis -we talked to a company and they have sent us a scope. Their fee is a bit

high, but 50% of the cost is rental of the flow meters. Robert Lewis reviewed the flow

data from Main/Potomac from 1993.

Joan De Stephano-so if they get a 1/2” of rain it goes nuts. Robert Lewis-what it tells us

is there is inflow and infiltration going on. Inflow could be illegal condiitions or an open

manhole. Infiltration would be ground water coming in through seams.

Gordon Hallbeck-Shouldn’t we have a rain gauge in the area where the flow meter is.

The rain that is falling there could be very different from what’s falling at GWA. For total

accuracy you would need a rain gauge on every meter. John Jaugilas-we could put

them at the Fire Stations, that would triangulate the readings.

In September, we would like to bring the contract to the Board of Trustees to have

monitors put in and have a consultant do smoke testing, check manholes & check

system integrity. Bill Lichter-could we have it ready for 8/14 meeting. John

Jaugilas-trying to figure out how much new data and how valuable this data is going to

be. We already know there is problems with the sewers up there. Robert Lewis this is

the sanitary, the other study was storm sewer. So this would give us the hard data on

the sanitary so we have a more complete picture. Bill Lichter-perhaps what we could

see if the Board would be willing to incur the cost of the meters so we can get that

started, and do the full contract in September.

Ralph Borgatell-what is the cost? Robert Lewis-$47,100.

Gordon Hallbeck-could we look into Media one for hooking something up. Robert

Lewis-either that or a phone line. If we develop the Garfield site that would be good a

place too. Robert Lewis will bring something back to the September meeting.

Bill Cooms-Read the proposal but didn’t understand what 12 lots would be left in a

problem area. Robert Lewis-some of them would still be impacted heavily and some

would be completely mitigated. Alternate 5 is the best one for them but it is dependent

upon future development. From what he read in there he didn’t see any

recommendation alleviate the original problem. Robert Lewis-the impacts would be

mitigated, instead of water in you house it would be in you front yard. It was our

recommendation to expand it to include all 578 homes in the drainage basin. It does

better to look at the larger area. Stephen Preins-One of the reasons we are looking at

flow studies tonight, we want to make sure we get the most drainage and impact as

many residents as possible for the money. John Jaugilas-The committee will have a

much larger picture with this study.